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Thursday, October 1, 2009

PROMOTION ARMY OFFICERS : PM clears file of Army Officers

I WONDER : THOUGH SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. BUT THE FACT REMAINS ITS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. IN CIVIL SERVICES INCLUDING OTHER GP A SERVICES THEY BECOME COL EQUIVALENT WITHIN 13 YRS OF SERVICE INCL TRAINING PERIOD AND WITHIN 18 YEARS OF SERVICE THEY ARE GETTING SAG WITH GP OF 10000/- . SINCE MOST OF THE PERKS START BEYOND THE GP OF 10000. THERE IS HARDLY ANY ADVANTAGE OF THIS MOVE EXCEPT FOR RED COLLARS AND INCREASE OF GP BY 700/- RS. LASTLY FULL DETAILS ARE NOT YET KNOWN !!!!


Prime Minister is believed to have approved substantive time scale promotion to the rank of full Colonel and equivalent in Army, Navy and Air Force after 18 years of service. Thus Col will not be a select rank any more.

125 comments:

  1. Congratulations to all (actually for nothing) They deserve much more,

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  2. Anyway things are looking good. If not 13 years at least 18 years for the start and can move furhther down. But how authentic is the source?

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  3. How authanticate is this news of approval of col rank in 18 yrs by PMO.

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  4. Hold your guns till you put on the rank. Anyway congrates.

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  5. and what happens to the colonels who have slogged and gone through majto lt col and lt col to colonel boards ? null and void ?

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  6. I STRONGLY FEEL THIS IS RUMOUR(FULL COL @ 18 YRS).90% OF COL ARE GONN'A HAVE HEART ACHE.
    W/O PREJUDICE,
    LOSTCASE

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  7. It is understood that the issue is going to come up for discussion on 15 Oct (Thursday) during cabinet committee meeting. Enhancement of retirement age (57 for Col. and Below, 58 for Brig. and 59 for Maj Gen)also under consideration. However, nothing is guaranteed till it comes in black and white. All these are hearsay through blogs. Not seen personally.

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  8. Its high time that services come out of 'me better than u' syndrome. Everyone goes through the same rut; few makes it to next rank just by seer luck, Others are also equally good, however, time and space didnot favour them. Gradual degradation of defence vis-a-vis other central services is only due to infighting and ' me better than u' attitude. Such promotional schemes are going to attract new generation to join us. One can always prove his mettle beyond the rank of Col. Pse extend acceptance to not so lucky guys who also served hard for the country.

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  9. how authentic is this news.It sounds too good to be true. no site speaks about col in 18yrs.

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  10. It appears that people have doubt about their position and capabilities. News of Col 18 is hardly any good if compared to other services. However, defence services get what they expect. At least for God's sake and the sake of others pse have higher expectation. Col in 18 years is peanut.

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  11. It is heartening to see that we are now heading in the right direction (if at all this is true) lets not be cynical, such chenges cannot be effected overnight, first Lt Col in 13 yrs now Col its positive. All those who slogged "REMEMBER YOUR PREDECESSORS DIDN'T EVEN GET FREE RATIONS" so pl dont brood.With every change the organisation gains, individual gains are incidental.

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  12. It true is really heartening to see some sensible actions in the army. Though the officer deserve a better deal. Ideally it should have been Lt Col at 10 years and Col at 15 years. A compulsory Staff College ffor a period of 6 months for ALL officers. The anomoly today is a officer who clears Staff college is considered FIT to COMMAND, and officer who has not been able to make it to the Staff course, IS DOING STAFF THROUGHOUT HIS BALANCE TENURE IN THE ORG. So a compulsory staff college for ALL is mandatory. THE SB-3 Neesds to be modified as FIT FOR COMS / FIT FOR STAFF. Officers deemed FIT FOR COMD then proceed to a Senior Comd Course. Seems COOL !!!.Right??

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  13. Can anyone confirm whether the talk about substantive col rank at 18 years of service is true/authentic..when is the official declaration likely to come through..

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  14. Would anyone know if there is age relaxations up to 50 yrs for grp A and B services also for ex-servicemen including officers..what are these organisations..

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  15. Hi All
    Its a PURE RUMOUR, the news about Col at 18Yrs. The news is picked up verbatim from whispersinthe corridors.com and copy pasted here, How come no news from any of the service HQs? Its just another Rumour, put in just for FUN by the Website mentioned, no other media reported this whether Print or Electronic, Is it so Confidential that None came to know about it? Just Think!!Yes Its a Good Thing if it comes But no point rumour mongering!!

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  16. the existing time bound promotion from Maj to Lt Col should be brought down to 11 years from 13 years as our counterpart in other services getting promotion to such rank well before that.

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  17. Time scale promotion to colonel is a rumour or true story. If true when is likely to be implemented, please clarify

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  18. af plans to implement it by dec 09 as conveyed by Air Chief in some forum two weeks back, rest when comes through AF is positive about it .

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  19. IF SERVICE LIMIT FOR PROMOTION TO LT COL IS NOT LOWERED TO 10/11 YEARS FROM 13 YEARS, MIIDLE RUNG OFFICERS CADRE WILL HIGHLY DEMOTIVATED.

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  20. BTW who is this idiot who it "free Ration"...someone please tell him/her that its...'Authorised rations'....nothing in life comes for free!!

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  21. I doubt that time scale colonel promotion would be in 18 years. If true can anybody would clarify its date of implementation and also about source of authencity.

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  22. 26 october comment (source anonymous). Air chief anounced in some foroum about time scale promotion of colonel in 18 years and implementation in Dec 09. I doubt about such anouncement. If anybody knows any genuine sourse so please clarify. Thanks.

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  23. is khushi main jiye jaten hai ki kuch gam hai jise bhulate hai . A very good news for All forces and inshaallah will be out soon

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  24. May be announced on Vijay Diwas....... Highly unconfirmed NEWS.

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  25. There is no fire, it's only smoke. I think there is no chance that such a news will not come out through authentic media dispite a lapse of one month and 5 days. The person who has initiated this news has kept all of you busy thinking about it. Now I have also wasted ten minutes in reading all this + one minute in writing my comment. Pl relax, if it's signed by PM it could not be a secret.

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  26. @ dear pessimist nov/05 1042 pm

    fire and smoke co exist. so dont write it off. enjoy.. chat positive and wait... it will come.

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  27. its all shit......plz post something which smells right.........

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  28. Yes It is coming but some of us r shit scared

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  29. All scared feel ,"Mumy Mumy...... Ham to kaisey kaisey Karnal bane...all those sacrifices..... aur Yeh?!! 18 Saal baad hi??!!!!....Mommmmaaaaaa"

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  30. confirmed,it's all farce.so please delete this from the site and do not misguide us any more by spreading such fake info.This has already got so many KARNAIL sa'ab admitted in psyco and heart ailment wards.please delete it for their sake.
    regards,
    aadha karnal(he he he!!!1)

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  31. There is strong rumour of it's implementation w.e.f 18 Dec.

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  32. Who knows....the truth? If its true.....why is everyone so tight lipped about it?

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  33. whats the confirmation since oct 01??????

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  34. Hi everybody,
    Colonel pomotion appeared in whispersincorridors.com on 29 sep 09.One must ask Dr suresh mehrotra the editor in chief of this site Thanks

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  35. Let us make this site more authentic and useful to military community instead of spreading rumours. This site can be made very useful by active contribution by people who are in know of authentic information. Please ensure no classified organisational and operational information is disclosed.

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  36. It is coming. Fighting Br 16 Yrs, Support services 18 Yrs.

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  37. it's coming.......when news is too old.

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  38. Hello everybody,

    Vijay Diwas is approaching.Let's hope for the best

    Regards

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  39. col at 18/16...21 Dec is the date when its expected for the iaf..for the army its already approved on file

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  40. IAF has asked opinion of time bound promotion in 21 yrs as per today's AIRHQ mail so promotion in 18 yrs seems to be dim. Any how enjoy Dec 02 comments posted at 10:54 AM.

    Regards and bestwishes 2 all

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  41. ANY BODY AUTHENTIC ABOUT 18 YR COL

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  42. Senior officers would not let it happen. They have to think big. It is rather sad that govt wants to implement and we are raising querries. The update of matter must be given by PRO

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  43. Do not raise hopes. Army HQ should clear the matter and confusion by updating on the subject

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  44. The best of AHQ guys who are supposed to be in "know of things" are vehemently denying any such development. I suppose we must not unnecessarily raise 'heart breaking' hopes of all Lt Cols who have been overlooked in one or two boards. Let them reconcile in peace........

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  45. orders likely by next weekend for col 20/21

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  46. air hq rumours are that there no such proposal for gp capt 16/18/20/22... Any update?

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  47. So finally it is proved, a rumour. If ranks can't be given at least NFFG on the line of civilan Gp A services be given to commissioned officer.

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  48. Hello Everyone,
    Its vijay diwas . Does anyone have any clue for 18/20 yrs col in the army.

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  49. The name of this blog should be changed to "Soldiersrumours.blogspot.com

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  50. Air Force HQs have asked comd Hqs to give suggestions on implementation of Gp Capt at 21/22 years service by 31 Dec 09 so nothing is going to be changed before 31st Dec ,however it will definitely be implemented before March 2010.Gp Capt at 18 may take some time .The news was correct PM has indeed signed the file . The reluctance is at Services level.May God gives some wisdom to top brass at least for future pay commissions sake,God bless

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  51. can somebody through lt on the rumour whether there is any proposal/approval for indian army officers'promotion to the rank of colonel in 18 years?

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  52. Read Navdeep's latest post on Col at 18 issue....

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  53. SO it is very clear that nothing of this sort is ever going to happen... cool off your heads and live happily..

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  54. Dear Major Navjosh, Could u please tell me if there is any gossip/proposal for promotion to the rank of col(TS) in 20 yrs?

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  55. This blog should be closed today for being non-responsive.

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  56. Announcement of colonel promotion in 18 years on Army day

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  57. Hey frndz! why so much fuzz abt becoming a Col? Does it make one a better officer or a better human being? Generally speaking I have seen most specimen as colonels only...and not before that!

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  58. Announcement of colonel promotion in 18 years on Army day.... yes it is true... and it is going to happen...watch out...

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  59. Read my previous comments:

    The best of AHQ guys who are supposed to be in "know of things" are vehemently denying any such development. I suppose we must not unnecessarily raise 'heart breaking' hopes of all Lt Cols who have been overlooked in one or two boards. Let them reconcile in peace........"

    There is no such thing coming on Ary Day.
    Pl stop spreading such rumours

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  60. Just learnt that 18 yrs Col is not likely to come through after all. Even though the PMO had approved it in principle army is not willing to accept the difference of just two yrs as the gap between substantive & TS since there would appear to the incentive for a person to work towards 15 yrs Col will be greatly diminished. As such the life of a Col as a Commanding Officer is nothing to talk home about these days and the financial gain too is negligible. Reducing the gap would further reduce the difference.

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  61. Confirmed news it will be announced soon

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  62. For God Sake............Plzzzzzzz stop playing pranks on our OWN community..........If u have something subsantial...........Plz share it........else !!!!!!!!!!!! May God give u ..............u know what

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  63. All the followers of this blog, it is true that pm has cleared proposal for 18 years Col as normal promotion and first selection as Brig, but our mind set at Services Hqs level that `how can there be so many Cols` is preventing it from being implemented. since majority of decision makers are Col and above so they feel their hard earned rank will get diluted, same way as Select Lt Col and above used to feel when the proposal was made to grant Lt Col across the board at 13 years.So these are the people trying to block it without realizing that when they compare themselves with civil counter parts they are taking 6 to 7 years more at each stage to reach similar grade pay for ex. 100 % IPS make it to DIG GP 8900 in 15 years where as less than 10 % of officers make it to Brig GP 8900 at 23 years and so on.so these service officers sitting at the helm of affairs should look beyond services at national level and immediately implement the proposal. When other Gp a services are systematically reducing no of years of service for promotions if we dont implement faster promotions we will be legging behind in successive pay commissions and even paramilitary forces will overtake services and we will stand to loose and keep cribbing and comparing with police, Coast Guards, BSF etc.,leave aside IAS, IPS.May God give wisdom to these frog of wells.They are harming not only present generation but the entire future generation of Defence Officers community for all times to come.

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  64. I fully Agree I M one of those SG Lt Col. Later on every one has to face the reality. Earlier u accept better it is.

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  65. It is likely to be announced on 15 Jan/26 Jan.

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  66. What is the source of this information about 15/26 Jan 2010.
    Plz share.
    We must behave responisbly to our own fraternity of officers at this blog.
    It may not be correct to post rumours......if at all one is responsible.

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  67. Dear Sirs ,

    1. Please and please write/discuss only the things which are known to you because giving wrong information leads only to sorrow and dissatisfaction at later stage. If there is something authentic , we must share it otherwise we should avoid spreading rumours.

    2. Can still somebody tell about the proposal for 18 years colonel in the army? If some concrete information is given , the offr fraternity will be thankful to the concerned. thanks in anticipation.

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  68. you want authentic info please take RTI route you will get most authentic info.But it is confirmed news that such a proposal was cleared by PM.More imp issue apart from status parity with civil Gp A, is; if the proposal comes through all Army Officers will at least get to serve till 57 years,since Col at 18 will be substantive not time scale.Timescale Col serve till 54 yrs whereas selection grade Col servers till 57 yrs.So pray God gives wisdom to our top brass.God bless.

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  69. you mean to say that our Corrupt MS Branch has audacity to defy PMO Office

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  70. I mean corrupt because it has our Gr8 avdhesh bhai leading the branch

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  71. 15 dec aya aur gaya 18 years ke rumour ka kya hua?

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  72. look for republic day.

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  73. 26 jan bhi aa ke chala jayega..i dont think its goin to be implemented.

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  74. Have a hope, O... hopeless

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  75. Nothing of this sort was even there in pipeline.
    Look in IAF active Gp capt rank is after 16/18 Years , where as in army it is after 15-16 Years. Even we three services are not synchronised , forget about IAS / Politicians will listen to us.

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  76. IT IS REALLY SAD THAT WE ARE NOT READY TO TAKE THE BENEFIT WHICH THE GOVT IS READY TO GIVE. LET US CHANGE OUR MIND SET AND LOOK FOR THE SERVICE HAVING BETTER SERVICE PROSPECTUS RATHER THAN THINKING OF PERSONAL EGO PROBLEM OR CREATING PSEUDO PROBLEMS TO HALT THE MOVE. WE HAD ASKED FOR BETTER PROSPECTS THROUGH AVSC AND NOW WE ARE APPARENTLY BACKING OUT.TOO BAD

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  77. 26 jan gone , kindly dont have any false hope as this purposal was never in pipeline. moreover had it been approved by pmo why wud military top brass stop it, after all recommendation wud have been forwarded by them only.

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  78. are we ever going to have colonel time scale after 18 years. Navy is still promoting officers to the rank of captain after 21 years.

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  79. now what ? new date to be fixed for declaration?!!!!! Any Takers

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  80. really rumored by hardcore soldier!!!!..... jiska "naam hi kafi tha" ab naam hi nahi hai

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  81. Dear friends,

    New date 01 April,It will happen, be optimistic pl.

    regards and best wishes

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  82. 01 apr meets the QR of defence creditibility

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  83. This blog is dead... the same way... rumors die thier own death... so is this issue of colonel rank at 18 years of age..

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  84. guys, dont lose hope.do whatever you are doing with full josh.rewards will come.keep blogging.

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  85. col agreed by three chiefs 23 yrs. 57 years retirement after this in pipe line.

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  86. chiefs should rethink to give it at 18/19

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  87. Its purely a rumour and nothing is going to come. Highly placed sources confirmed from MoD that your crying will have no effects unless top brasses move some significant steps which we can't expect in near future. So dont worry be happy with whatever has bestowed by the 6 CPC, rather than making hue and cry in public for the thing which is not going to come.

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  88. news is confirmed.Only service has been increased from 18 to 23 to satisfy Cols.

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  89. MAJ NAVDEEP,COULD YOU KINDLY GIVE US SOME AUTHENTIC NEWS REGARDING TIME SCALE FULL COLONEL

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  90. This blog has become a dead space like the rumour of a time scale select colonel in 18 years..............Can the rumour mongers stop?

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  91. Wg cdr to gpcapt promotion board over on 15 Mar 10. Results by week end. enjoy the inevitable rrrrrrrrrr.

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  92. All this is bullshit crap
    Still Naval Ass holes are getting promoted to Capt in 21 Years in spite of Armies/AFs 15-16 years.

    Better Enjoy The harassment which u get from other allied services with whom U R Working.

    Real Fuk is for those officers who have to work with POLICE/CPMF/ Ordnance Factories/Ordnance officers/IDAS etc etc and attend functions with them. They enjoy the real taste of hierarchy when are given the right last seat for them like back benchers

    When will we all wake up ,god Knows?????? we all will die with shame and dis-honour a................................and not from outside enemy BUT our own insiders who all killing our own fabrics of loyalty & Dedication.

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  93. DAARU PIYO AUR AISH KARO.
    MAROO FAATS AT UR OWN MESSES BARS
    CALL URSELF GREAT
    BECOME SHEEPS IN FRONT OF OTHERS (IAS/IPS/ALLIED)
    CALL URSELF LEADERS
    DRINK DAARU AND MARO MORE FAATS

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  94. What is the latest on time bound promotion to colonel

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  95. The question to be asked is 'Will making Colonel a time-bound promotion be better for the organisation than keeping it a select rank to which only about 50% of officers would ever make it?" As someone has commented in this very portal - Benefits to the individual officers concerned are just incidental.

    Let us examine the problem from a purely economic (Work for money) angle:-

    1. The difference in pay between a Lt Colonel and Colonel is only to the extent of grade pay (Rs 700/-) and the DA accrued on that. Which means that we pay the a Colonel(Selection Grade) and a Lt Col (with equivalent length of service) more or less the same.

    2. The highly rank- conscious Army tends to treat officers passed over for promotion with condescension and superciliousness which has a spiralling effect on the officers' morale and zest for work.(Most of these officers are quite competent and capable people with a lot of experience) who have been superceded because of the inability of the organisation to accomodate them rather than due to their own deficiencies). In fact an officer who displays any enthusiasm for work even after supercession is often put down and snubbed(even by his juniors). He is only expected to lie quiet and be tolerated by the organisation rather than be a useful member of it. A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN who is mocked if he works and just about tolerated if he doesn't.

    3. So now what we have ended up is a situation where the organisation doesn't expect (or permit) a person to work but pays him almost the same as it pays another person who is expected to devote all his time and energy to his work. DOES IT MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE? Would any corporate organisation do this?

    4. A better model than telling a person that he is no longer required to give off his best (and is justified in being and behaving de-motivated)at just 15 - 16 years of service would be to push up the age of supercession to 20-21 years.

    5. This is best done by ensuring every one gets a colonel's rank at 18 years. So the officer is still going strong and motivated till 20-21 years or whenever SB-2 is scheduled. It won't cost the govt very much but would ensure that the talents of a sizeable proportion of officers is NOT put to waste too early.

    6. OF COURSE THE ONE-UPMANSHIP IN THE ARMY MUST GO AND THE "WHAT ABOUT US WHO HAVE GIVEN OUR SWEAT (AND SOMETIMES CONSCIENCES) TO BECOME SELECTION_GRADE COLONELS??" GROUP MUST BE TOLD TO LUMP IT.

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  96. the time scale colonel should be implemented at 18 yrs of service in order to maintain the satisfaction level in army unlike para military and ias officers every one becomes brigadier or equivalent as a selection grade

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  97. whats the latest some letter has been signed yesterday.

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  98. implementation of time scale Col /Gp Capt/Capt at 18 yr and time scale Brig/Air Cmde at 22yr. Select grade shold be only for ranks AVM and above. This will be highly motivating.However no more fights for increase of pay etc. Stagnation of promotion in rank also de-motivating. Those who do not pick up rank are not dicardable. Further seniority remains uneffected and defence culture remains maintained. Defenitely selecdtion rank at AVM LEVEL WILL NOT BE DEMOTIVATING FACTOR FOR ANY OFFICER.

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  99. what is the current status on promotion to colonel by timescale??
    26yrs or 24 yrs or 23yrs???

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  100. How would this impact the OROP issue? Would ex-servicemen be willing to accept that under OROP, the pension of a current retiree in the rank of Col say at 20 years of service be the same as that of a Col who retired after 29 plus years in the past? Similarly, what of the previous Lt Col and Lt Col (TS) retirees who retired after, say 29 or so years of sevice? Would their pension be expected to be equal to that of a current Lt Col with say 17 years of service. That would hardly be 'One Rank One Pension', now, would it?

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  101. ANYTHING LATEST ON TIME SCALE COL PROMOTION AT 18 YEARS?

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  102. what is the current status on promotion to colonel by timescale??
    26yrs,24 yrs,23yrs,21 yrs or 18 yrs???

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  103. Politics,Bureaucracy,Judiciary and Armed Forces are the four corner pillars for any country. Hence if Armed Forces are not given its due, then it is like absence of one of the four corner pillars and then you know what happens to other three pillars.The answer is give equal due to all corner pillars.

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  104. has promotion to colonel/captain by time been reduced to 23?

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  105. ek anonymous ne dil humaara tod diya....haaye.....back to daru piyo aur faat maro...

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  106. PL CLOSE THIS BLOG WE R WASTING TIME

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  107. What about 'one rank one pension'? Ex-officers and ex-soldiers had even given their badges of service and badges of valour obtained in the wars to the President.
    Major (Rtd) Dewan

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  108. Col and equivalent in 23 years to be announced by 31 Jul 11 ......... to be brought down to 18 years by mid 2013 ....... news 100% authentic

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  109. Col and equivalent in 23 years to be announced by 31 Jul 11 ......... to be brought down to 18 years by mid 2013 ....... ALL THOSE WHO REACH 19 YAERS NOW WHEN WILL THEY GET IT

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  110. 31 Jul 11 has passed. What is the next date?

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  111. phatters can suggest only to phat!

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  112. Be careful while u phat because if hard then unrepairable damage(BLR/BER), Mr phatter as it seems u r fond of daru and phatting.

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  113. i will take care of it...i learn from others experiences..thanks for sharing your experience...

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  114. Most of the ex ACC offrs retiring at the service bracket between 23yrs to 25 yrs because of service limit for applying for ACC was earlier 5 yrs with age limit of 27 yrs. Thus these gp of offrs will not have dream of even becoming Col (TS) after supersession untill unless there is reduction in service limit of Col (TS). Rest whether it is rumour or true but hearing from words of mouths for proposal of reduction of Col (TS) service from 26 to 23 yrs.

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  115. IT IS HEARD THAT AVS COMMITTEE IS BEING IMPLEMENTED ...ALL PC OFFICERS WILL RETIRE AS BRIG/CMDE/AIR CMDE..ALL THE BEST

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  116. OMG.....LOT OF WATER HAS FLOWN DOWN THE JHELUM...BUT ALAS! NO HOPE....CAN SOME ENLIGHTENED BLOKE WITH EARS IN NORTH/SOUTH BLOCK AND SENA BHAVAN COMMENT ON THE PROPOSAL "COL-21/18 YEARS CONTROVERSY"

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  117. HOPE GOOD SENSE WILL PREVAIL AND THEY WILL BRING DOWN THE QUALIFYING SERVICE FOR COL (TS) TO 20 YEARS. OTHERWISE THEY CAN CARRY ON WITH A DIGRUNTLED FORCE WITHIN THEIR RANKS

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  118. it is disheartening to believe that ssc offrs have to loose 8 months and they pickup col (TS) only after 26y 8 m service. when army will stop injustice with ssc offrs. AVSC never laid condition of reckonable service. Any comments and guidelines to fight discrimination are welcome.

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